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Two of experimental music's most uncompromising minds, together at last, and never once in direct contact. Kevin Drumm and Taku Unami made Zero Talk without ever speaking to each other. It started in late 2024, when producer Jon Abbey asked Unami to master Drumm's Sheer Hellish Miasma II. Unami was thrilled: Drumm is his favorite musician. Drumm loved the result. Even then, the two never really talked, Abbey spoke to each of them separately. In mid 2025 Abbey proposed a collaborative Erst. Both …